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	<title>Comments on: Obama’s worrisome idioms: In reaction to his Berlin speech</title>
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		<title>By: Phil Sieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Sieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does wearing a suit have to do with Christianity?  Not dressing like you&#039;re at a casual dinner party or a Brittany Spears concert would help, if that were the problem in America, because one is to casual and the other would be showing too much flesh (and admit it guys and gals, guys, unless homosexual, are looking).  Whatever is formal businesswear in a country is fine with me as a Christian.  It&#039;s really that the West is dominant in the world and it set the clothing standards somehow.

Kissinger wrote this NSSM 200 work that spoke of population control cutting down the numbers in other lands in order to dominate them.  The U.N.&#039;s UNFPA branch and Planned Parenthood International takes care of that.  These are NWO brain-childs.  The NWO types are usually white leaders who, over centuries, have looked down on the poor as &quot;useless eaters&quot; and resource drainers.  They have their &quot;useful idiots&quot; like the Irrev.s Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Obama, who sell out their people for whatever.  They make themselves apart from their people as they make nanny-states of countries usually south of the equatorial border.  For these reasons, nothing will change under Obama, except that his worshippers around the world may enact some economy boosting measures in optimism (oddly placed in a man whose party&#039;s affirmative action crippled the U.S. economy and are guilty of the muder of those born alive and of associating with domestic terrorists by association).
   Regarding his domestic policies, we should be concerned about far more than his idioms, especially since we&#039;re surrounded by socialist countries, some of whom persecute dissenters who are lambs (compared to Ayers and crew) as being as dangerous as terrorists.  I think Pres. Bush was playing around with the idea of Ameros as currency for the Americas.  That would have drained us.  The Weather Underground would be proud.  Obama just may do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does wearing a suit have to do with Christianity?  Not dressing like you&#8217;re at a casual dinner party or a Brittany Spears concert would help, if that were the problem in America, because one is to casual and the other would be showing too much flesh (and admit it guys and gals, guys, unless homosexual, are looking).  Whatever is formal businesswear in a country is fine with me as a Christian.  It&#8217;s really that the West is dominant in the world and it set the clothing standards somehow.</p>
<p>Kissinger wrote this NSSM 200 work that spoke of population control cutting down the numbers in other lands in order to dominate them.  The U.N.&#8217;s UNFPA branch and Planned Parenthood International takes care of that.  These are NWO brain-childs.  The NWO types are usually white leaders who, over centuries, have looked down on the poor as &#8220;useless eaters&#8221; and resource drainers.  They have their &#8220;useful idiots&#8221; like the Irrev.s Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Obama, who sell out their people for whatever.  They make themselves apart from their people as they make nanny-states of countries usually south of the equatorial border.  For these reasons, nothing will change under Obama, except that his worshippers around the world may enact some economy boosting measures in optimism (oddly placed in a man whose party&#8217;s affirmative action crippled the U.S. economy and are guilty of the muder of those born alive and of associating with domestic terrorists by association).<br />
   Regarding his domestic policies, we should be concerned about far more than his idioms, especially since we&#8217;re surrounded by socialist countries, some of whom persecute dissenters who are lambs (compared to Ayers and crew) as being as dangerous as terrorists.  I think Pres. Bush was playing around with the idea of Ameros as currency for the Americas.  That would have drained us.  The Weather Underground would be proud.  Obama just may do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Vivek. This is a perceptive post. I did not hear Obama&#039;s speech in Berlin and only just read it now. I too am a fan of his. However there is nary a reference in this speech to Europe&#039;s colonial history and American imperialism. This troubles me. Perhaps the context of Berlin was not the ideal place to systematically address this topic, but he still could have made a nod to these shameful tendencies of &quot;the West.&quot; As you astutely note, the White Man&#039;s Burden is a contradictory impulse that derives from both noble and ignoble notions of the so-called superiority of the West.

That said, something Obama’s former pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright recently said in an interview with Bill Moyers gives me hope that Obama does in fact understand how we need a new dialectic of global relations. Wright complained how “A lotta the missionaries were going to other countries assuming that our culture is superior, that you have no culture. And to be a Christian, you must be like us. Right now, you can go to Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, and see Christians in 140-degree weather. They have to have on a tie. Because that&#039;s what it means to be a Christian.&quot;

Presently Obama may not be able to question the very framework that will get him elected in the coming months, but if his pastor really did have a significant impact on him we can indeed have hope, as Chris suggests, that he will begin to try once elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Vivek. This is a perceptive post. I did not hear Obama&#8217;s speech in Berlin and only just read it now. I too am a fan of his. However there is nary a reference in this speech to Europe&#8217;s colonial history and American imperialism. This troubles me. Perhaps the context of Berlin was not the ideal place to systematically address this topic, but he still could have made a nod to these shameful tendencies of &#8220;the West.&#8221; As you astutely note, the White Man&#8217;s Burden is a contradictory impulse that derives from both noble and ignoble notions of the so-called superiority of the West.</p>
<p>That said, something Obama’s former pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright recently said in an interview with Bill Moyers gives me hope that Obama does in fact understand how we need a new dialectic of global relations. Wright complained how “A lotta the missionaries were going to other countries assuming that our culture is superior, that you have no culture. And to be a Christian, you must be like us. Right now, you can go to Ghana, Nigeria, Senegal, and see Christians in 140-degree weather. They have to have on a tie. Because that&#8217;s what it means to be a Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Presently Obama may not be able to question the very framework that will get him elected in the coming months, but if his pastor really did have a significant impact on him we can indeed have hope, as Chris suggests, that he will begin to try once elected.</p>
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		<title>By: Vivek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vivek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris, Between the candidates, I think I&#039;ll bet on him too. But I take little comfort from you on the idea that he will change and become better once he becomes the president.  In a set-up that is too entrenched, it takes a person with rather strong ideas and skills to bring about a change.  I am not sure if he has thought much about bringing a hopeful change in foreign policies at all.  And one does not get that kind of time and luxury of space to think these things through and operationalise them in a hugely entrenched set up when you are a president.
Some of his talk foreign policy talk sounds disastrous to me, for example on &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;striking Pakistan&lt;/a&gt;.  I should say though that it&#039;s not just the US where a &quot;leader&quot; is supposed to be hawkish when it comes to foreign policy.  You do not hear too many sane voices in India as well (and I guess in most other parts of the world).  Statesmanship in foreign policy does not seem to be a reality in our times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, Between the candidates, I think I&#8217;ll bet on him too. But I take little comfort from you on the idea that he will change and become better once he becomes the president.  In a set-up that is too entrenched, it takes a person with rather strong ideas and skills to bring about a change.  I am not sure if he has thought much about bringing a hopeful change in foreign policies at all.  And one does not get that kind of time and luxury of space to think these things through and operationalise them in a hugely entrenched set up when you are a president.<br />
Some of his talk foreign policy talk sounds disastrous to me, for example on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801" rel="nofollow">striking Pakistan</a>.  I should say though that it&#8217;s not just the US where a &#8220;leader&#8221; is supposed to be hawkish when it comes to foreign policy.  You do not hear too many sane voices in India as well (and I guess in most other parts of the world).  Statesmanship in foreign policy does not seem to be a reality in our times.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vivek

Obama&#039;s speech patterns and choices of words have certainly moved toward the &quot;center&quot; of U.S. politics. However, I believe this to be more reflective of the realities of American politics than of any personal predilictions on Obama&#039;s part. In order to get elected, he must speak, first and foremost, to a broad swath of U.S. voters. I believe he WILL bring change in U.S. foreign policies, but it will need to be gradual, and will begin with his election to the presidency. And that will, unfortunately, take a bit word-mincing with the American public, much of which is a bit behind the curve on ideas you correctly express here. For it is they, and not the international community, who will cast votes.

Observe his words and actions AFTER the election - that will be a far better indicator than the current sound bytes that are hopelessly distorted by the U.S. electoral process. I have no idea whether he will or will not represent good change in the end - but he has been our best hope yet, and I&#039;m betting on him. That said, I certainly do hope he ends up holding to the principles you profess in this blog post - we are on the same page there!

Best
Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vivek</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s speech patterns and choices of words have certainly moved toward the &#8220;center&#8221; of U.S. politics. However, I believe this to be more reflective of the realities of American politics than of any personal predilictions on Obama&#8217;s part. In order to get elected, he must speak, first and foremost, to a broad swath of U.S. voters. I believe he WILL bring change in U.S. foreign policies, but it will need to be gradual, and will begin with his election to the presidency. And that will, unfortunately, take a bit word-mincing with the American public, much of which is a bit behind the curve on ideas you correctly express here. For it is they, and not the international community, who will cast votes.</p>
<p>Observe his words and actions AFTER the election &#8211; that will be a far better indicator than the current sound bytes that are hopelessly distorted by the U.S. electoral process. I have no idea whether he will or will not represent good change in the end &#8211; but he has been our best hope yet, and I&#8217;m betting on him. That said, I certainly do hope he ends up holding to the principles you profess in this blog post &#8211; we are on the same page there!</p>
<p>Best<br />
Chris</p>
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